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Ecstasy vs Alcohol

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  1. dale_fromage

    dale_fromage

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    Ecstasy vs Alcohol

    I need some help,

    can someone please help me formulate an argument, preferably backed up by official figures, as to which one is better (for lack of a better word)

    I mean like addiction risk, effects, collateral damage, environmentally, all that jazz.
  2. Lee

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    fuck that

    ecstacy & Alcohol Vs Prices and availability, thats a better argument
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    Get Rossy to PM ya, he is the Don of Drugs use,effects & the cultural impact.
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    addiction risk --- alcohol addictive /ecstasy -------- not adictive

    effects ---- alcohol aggression and violence / ecstasy------ hugs smiles and gurns

    collateral damage--- alcohol brain damage liver damage heart damage circulation problems / ecstasy------ brain damage liver damage ear damage

    environmentally ----- alcohol piss in doorways / ecstasy loud music characterised by repetetive rythms causes noise pollution

    oh yes and one is illegal and one isn't
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    Chewy I'd fist it

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    dear me that puts things into perspective! however might this result be the fact that alot more people drink?

    but still i think pills arent as bad as everyone thinks and not to mention they're class.

    what the fucks 'khat' when its at home?

    ***Edit***

    Frank has the answer. :dunce:

    Franky
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    why is ket classed so bad?
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    khat is what somalis chew
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    lol these 2 ethnic minority chaps sat next to me on the metro the other week with 2 asda bags full of that and where both chuft to fuck with it lol !!!
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    we've all seen this many times before but:

    then after all that radge stuff you see the stats for alcohol related deaths in 2001 through 2003:

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8905&More=Y

    and within that excel document its clearly says that 18, 583 people have died as a direct result of alcholism. comparing that with:

    so in hindsight cowies dont seem that bad at the end of the day.

    so why does frank tell us not to take pills but to drink "in moderation"
  11. Gav Freaky Dancing

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    nope nowt to do with the number of people who take e / drink, those scores are agregate scores for how dangerous each drug is considered by a panel of experts IIRC.

    basically alcohol is judged to be almost twice as dangerous as ecstasy on a range of factors.

    A much greater percentage of drinkers will die from alcohol related illness than extacy users who'll die from ecstacy use.

    worth bearing in mind too that most of the figures quoted for ecstacy deaths aren't actually for deaths caused by ecstacy, they're for deaths where ecstasy was found to be present, though it was often part of a cocktail of drink and drugs, so it's often not as clear cut as to say ecstacy was present therefore it was ecstacy that killed her / him... so someone who downs 2 bottles of vodka & half a pill will go down on the stats as an ecstacy related death, though it was the alcohol that really killed them.

    not saying e's perfect and it will fry your brains a bit over a long period or if you cane it too heavily, but alcohol and tobaco are both way more likely to kill you.
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    Cheers for all the help like. exactly what i was after :samurai:
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    Because it's a fucking horse tranq and makes people look like the bloke off My Left Foot. Ney lad, ney :confused:
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    Im not addicted to booze but I know people who cant go to clubs without doing cowies

    Ive never had a fight or caused agro on booze but know people who have done it on cowies

    generalisations are rubbish and so are you oo oo
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    your forgetting stuff like, alcohol may only give you a one night hangover, where as ecstacy can leave you feeling brittle and ill for a week.
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    it tastes minging and fills your mouth full of bits of old stick yuck
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    Anything can be dangerous if you abuse it, ecstacy users can fuck their body up as well as alcoholics, but the way i see things personally is when i go clubbing it's one night out, if i get pissed i will have recovered by the some point the next day and can get on with my life as i'm not a heavy drinker, whereas if i'd got wrecked i'd probably sit curled up in a ball and dissapear from the world for 3/4 days, which is a waste over one night imo.
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    I know people who can't go to pubs without drinking so what does that prove?

    is that whats known as tough love?

    and if you are only to talk in subjective terms about this then you can only see as far as the end of your own nose
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    yeh I can really see why people do it :D
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    the point about alcohol though is the damage is cumulative and you may think you are recovered but you are a little bit worse every time you do it.
    The damage from E is probably cumulative (although not proven) but the come downs are so bad and the effect gets less and less that you can't keep doing it for long before you have to slow down.
    with alcohol you can keep caning it till your liver falls out.

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