Don't say it... spray it

What a shit argument, why should a rich multinational director get to drive an aston martin when I can't? Why should a footballer get a mansion in cheshire when I can't? Should I just break the law to get the things I want but can't afford? And let the public pay to pick up the pieces?

The two are not comparable, the aston martin is not something which engages us... the billboards plastered around town are for us.

The multinationals dont put up those billboard for their own personal pleasure... they put them up so that we're forced to look at them.... just as a graffiti writer will.

The two use different methods to achieve the same goals.

You can't argue that a 3 letter tag done with black paint on the front of somebody's shop shutters serves the same purpose as an advert on a billboard! Yeah, we're forced to look at both but the difference is, the advert is informing the public of something that a lot of 'us' will appreciate at some point. A tag is simply somebody's attempt at leaving their mark with no respect for other peoples' property and claiming no responsibility when it comes to the money needed to clean it off. I'm sure if your only source of income was your family store and one day you awoke to find someone had sprayed shit all over the front of it, you wouldn't be so quick to assume it was no different to someone sticking an advert on the front. Even so, the adverts you speak of are those that are in designated spots and payed for so you don't run the risk of awaking to find them stuck all over your property.

claiming no responsibility when it comes to the money needed to clean it off.




as i said.....i pay me taxes. id much rather it goes on buffing panels than paying for prince andrew to fly to fucking somewhere far off to attend a meeting on climate change, or payin for prisoners laptops and lcd tellys.

Didn't you say your house got graffiti'd once Joe? I take it you totally supported their right to express themselves in this way?

Your point is completely invalid. If someone grafitti's your property, you are responsible for cleaning it up. If you don't clean it up then your store or whatever is going to look scummy.

you can report graffiti to councils and they'll come around in a buff van and clean it off for you free of charge, i know this because i had to do it for community service (which wasnt due to a graffiti related offence either)

Which I'm sure isn't done an hour after you report it. There is still going to be plenty of time for people to see a local store looking manky from the outside and no doubt a lot of people will choose to goto the local co-op instead.

When you say you'd rather taxes went on buffing panels, it's as if the government won't increase tax as more and more money is needed to clean up your mess. It's like saying it's ok to go round kicking mirrors off cars cos it's only the insurance company's who are going to be forking out to fix it.

There is still going to be plenty of time for people to see a local store looking manky from the outside and no doubt a lot of people will choose to goto the local co-op instead.


-if the shops open, the shutters are going to be up, therefore no graf would be visable. you'd have to be a right tit not to go into a shop because of a tag anyway.


it's like saying it's ok to go round kicking mirrors off cars cos it's only the insurance company's who are going to be forking out to fix it.


-not at all, you need wingmirrors to competently drive a car, you dont need clean shutters to run a successful business.

Yes I am. If a shop doesn't look presentable from the outside then people will end up heading somewhere else. As you well know grafitti to shops doesn't just happen on the shutters. It gets done over windows, doors and on the walls.

I think it looks class most of the time, don't mind it at all. But it's a stupid arguement to say it's comparable to a billboard etc. Whichever way you look at it, it's illegal and a lot of people don't like it and think it makes places scurffy looking. It can't be justified unless you've got the property owner's permission.

Graffiti ethics put houses off limits.

And no we had bricks through our windows.

You really think the adverts are there for a public service

trait of the era.

99% of writers wont tag other peoples personal property... they target businesses.

some businesses are personal property though?

in respect of all partnerships and sole traders the premises they use will be owned by an individual not some faceless corporate entity - do the writers conduct a company search before they decide which bits of property are ok to tag and which aren't?

houses and cars are off limits is the general rule of thumb.

But anything from trains to white vans tend to be fair game... I didn't write the rules.

But ethics do exist... you only need to walk the tracks to see how much damage gets done, yet this is rarely transfered to peoples houses.

I dont support vandalising private property and my religion stops me from damaging anyone elses property (so I dont bomb).

But I strongly support those that hit large corporations like Nexus, the fact that people in this thread say that advertisers are doing us a public service depresses the hell out of me... we live in an age of insanity.