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  1. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    Democracy

    I know this is the wrong place to post about politics as the only worry 80% of you have is where you can score ur next glowsticks from :D

    but here goes....

    Do people think democracy as we know it works...

    I for one don't if you just look at the world its proper fucked up. 10% of the world own 90% of its wealth...

    What is democratic about voting for one of two people who nobody trusts to run our country... Am I missing something? All of these parties are utterly corrupt and have double agendas... if they never why would spin doctors exist? A spin doctors job is to maniuplate the truth - yet we accept this as the norm?

    I think I'm going to become an anarachist or communist - I haven't yet decided :D
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    communist scum.......


    im forming a dictatorship any one who wants to join grovle at my feet
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    Re: Democracy

    I agree that democracy doesnt work as it is at the moment as too much of the worlds government is corrupt.
    However, communism is certainly not the way forward, it has never worked in the past and generally leads to anarchy itself.
    Also, i disagree with everyone in the same country having the same amount of wealth: my dad has worked for his entire life to get where he is now, so why should he have only the same amount of money as some smackrat who does nowt?
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    I detest politicians...it's just PR...the crap they come out with...like they honestly give a shit about the common man !

    Russia simply gave communism a bad rep :D
  6. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    Re: Re: Democracy

    The communism/anarchim was said in jest...

    I'd be interested in why communism doesn't work? As far as I can see neither has democracy...
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    Trying to put everyone on the same level CANT work...as i said..there would be anger amongst people about it becasue if my next door neighbour had a shit job and did fuck all work yet still had the same car as me...i would be irritated...this leads to mass arguments and eventually anarchy.

    Also, take the model of Russia...the government were corrupt so people were working and working to produce food but the govt just kept it all for themselve, thus breaking thier own policies of equality
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    absolutely.

    the ideas behind communism are probs the best however it has been shown that it does not work. so, until presented with an better alternative, democracy seems to be the only way to run a country.
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    China still has its problems....the people are ruled with an iron fist....why do u think there are so many china towns in britain?
    Freedom!
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    What pisses me off is that he working class seem to foot the bill for all there fuck ups.

    We get taxed for feeking everything from our over inflated house market to a pint at the local whilst the single mothers, illegal imegrants, MP's etc.. all get the benefits.

    It's stinks to the core, but what can we do, move to France? I think not. :mad:
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    I think thats quite a bleak outlook on man kind if you think everyman has a price...

    I think its all to do with upbringing - if your brought up to think of evewry1 as equal and your motivation isn't financial reward (which is quite a shallow motivation)... why wouldn't a communist state work?

    Communism hasn't worked as its been corrupted by the west.

    one of my favourite analogies is:

    FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

    PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

    BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.

    FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.

    PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

    RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

    CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.

    DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

    PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

    REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

    BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

    PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

    LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

    SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.
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    Shut up you idiot :D
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    k so that point was quite unfounded i apologise!:)

    I agree that our current democracy doesnt work well.

    I dont only search 4 financial gain...but money gives u things to live a better quality of life and a good job gives u that money...so communism isnt basically fair.
    However, i do disagree with people being born with a 'silver spoon' - rahs!
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    communism is fatally flawed, due to the economic & ergonomic factors of providing equality for everyone.

    we are programmed to be selfish, even those from left of left.. have a point were they would use a physical or mental advantage to better their life or those close to them.
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    i think we should help out all the asylum seekres we can!!!we are so rich it would be a crime not to, but if they are trained they should have to work over here, and if they are not trained they should have to do some job that needs doing, even if it is rubbish collection or something, they shouldnt be given free benfits forever!!
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    their democracy works a lot better than ours.

    why do you all think that democracy doesn't work?
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    How are we programmed to be selfish?

    Look at hare krishna... Its all about conditioning darling :D
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    one of the most intersting conversations i have ever heard was in an operating theatre between two surgeons, who must earn hundreds of thousands a year each, who while they were replacing someones hip, were discussing the large amount of tax they had to pay and how they didnt mind it if it went to a good cause, but were disguisted it funds girls who get pregnant at 16 and live off benfits for life!!

    well good!:D
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    there will of been a point in his life, were he used an advantage he had to better his life.

    it is human instinct, you can condition all you like, communism will never work.
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    How wise you are...

    Every1 goes on about paki's taking our doctors jobs... thats cos the fucking muppets who are unemployeed 9 times out of 10 aren't capable of educating themselves to that level :D if we never had the "paki doctors" the nhs would fall apart :D
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    I agree....most people are all about one upmanship - my house is bigger than urs, my bird is better than urs etc. There cant ever be a perfect society, mainly due to human nature.

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